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Life after 50 for Career Women

There can be an amazing life after 50 for Career Women. But it starts with a critical question. Answering “Now What?”

The challenge for many is wondering what that life should be? Keep my current job? Search for another job? Pivot careers? Retire? Pursue something entirely different.

overcome so much and here is yet another challenge.

Answering “Now What?”

There are answers to that question in this interview with Autumn Nessler who has been working with professional women to help them transition with an intentional life plan to step into the next stage of life and keep going.

There are millions of us over the age of 50 who are saying that and that includes women. Women who have done and accomplished so much.

These Women have done it all; Career, marriage, parenthood, overcoming sexism, etc. Life has been a Merry-Go-Round and now they want to get off and Live Life on Their Own Terms, ie., Live an Intentional Life. Nessler says, “They are now seeking a whole new set of life choice(s) as they try to define “Who I Am” rather than “What I Do”. They are conscious and intentional about planning for their life/lifestyle. Looking to define “What’s Next”.

Planning their Intentional Life. I assist them with the design of that lifestyle.” Prior to starting a coaching practice, over the past 35 years, Autumn successfully transitioned from being an educator to a career counselor, to human resources professional, and finally to sales professional. In between with “gigs” as a solopreneur. Personal transitions included raising other people’s children, divorce, lots of moves, etc.

There is life after 50 for career women and both Autumn and New Way Forward will help you determine what that life is and how to Launch Yourself forward.

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TRANSCRIPT Life after 50 for Career Women

Autumn Nessler: How is this? Is this it, you know, is my tombstone going to say she worked, you know, as women, we should ourselves to death. We should be the best employee. We should be the best mother, the best wife, the best grandpa, you know? It is exhausting. Shooting ourselves to death. And so I get women to think about putting themselves first. I think the first thing that we need to do is to look at change differently. One of my favorite things is, you’ve got this, I’ve got this. I can do this, you know, and really to embrace that,


Speaker2: Helping you find your new way forward to the best years of your life. This is a New Way Forward podcast with Paul Long.


Paul Long: Now, what a question so many of us are asking, but in particular, women, professional career women who are older, whatever that means. What is that 40, 50, 60 seventies who have had these careers, who have overcome so much and have worked so hard? And for whatever reason, it’s time to change. It’s time to transition to something else. Now what? That’s the big question. How do I find my new way forward? Well, the answer to those questions, the first answer is there is an answer, and to help you with that is my guess. Autumn Ness Miller, who has worked with professional women, counseled them, coached them, help them develop a intentional life plan to help make sure the years ahead are some of, if not the best. And another reason why she really knows what she’s talking about is she’s one of you.


Autumn Nessler: There’s millions of women out there today who are thinking about what would what could life look like if when I leave the big job, right? So, you know, I think about. Unfortunately, we are such a huge group of people and we and we’re all kind of looking at this at the same time and deciding what to do next and what will I look like? Unfortunately, we don’t have a lot of role models to kind of help us navigate what’s next. That’s good in bad, right? So the good news is we get to craft our own plan, we get to determine what it’s going to look like for us as a whole generation, which is which is pretty darn exciting. You know, we have been told for many years and those women that are listening today will really appreciate there used to be a commercial beyond purely commercial. It’s a really bad perfume. But really, that was kind of the model, I guess you could say, for lack of a better term for women like me. You know, we were supposed to bring home the bacon, fry it up in the pan and oh, by the way, never let you forget your man, right? And oh, by the way, do it all in high heels. So we’ve been kind of living under that model for many, many years. So now we’re looking at this life, this post-career life, I’ll call it. And for many of us, you know, we’re not ready. Like you said, we’re not ready to, you know, hang up whatever the high heels or whatever you want to do. In fact, we have a great opportunity to think about what it might look like for us, whether it includes work or not. But at the end of the day, it’s it’s our it’s our opportunity to navigate these uncharted waters, so it’s a very exciting time.


Speaker4: Yeah, it’s I’ve been advocating for for all of us for so long is looking at this stage of life. I hate the word retirement now. For some people, it’s right. God bless you. Godspeed. Go for it. You’ve earned it. But how many people have we heard about significant number who have just said, Oh, well, I guess I retire and I take a 40 year vacation because you have some decades of life ahead, decades of increased health span ahead. And and also, we’re a generation that lived in a different existence where we have a desire and a need to signify and be relevant. And for those who do try retirement and quote unquote fail at it, it’s because they’ve lost that relevance. And that’s why alcoholism, drug abuse, divorce and things of that sort are on the increase. So. It would seem that in what I’m running across is is that people get that awareness of, Oh my gosh, you’re right, I’ve got all these years, you know, I don’t feel like I’m 50 years old, I don’t feel like I’m sixty five. I feel like I’m 40. And but you’re lost in terms of trying to figure out, Oh my gosh. All of a sudden, I’ve got to almost like, come up with a plan like I did in college and I was more prepared then what I’m going to do with my life.


Autumn Nessler: Right, right. Yeah. And you know, I always talk about and you’re kind of alluding to it as well as that as as individuals, we go through numerous changes in our life, right? Numerous and some of those happened by by choice, you know, getting married or by opportunity. You know, we take that next big job. We take that big offer. It could happen by a natural end, you know, whether it’s graduating from college or it could be something unwillingly imposed on us. Can you say pandemic? Right? So at the end of the day, these things are what really, you know, kind of give us those aha moments those, you know, looks in the mirror or that that kind of conversation that we have with ourselves when no one else is around to get us to start thinking about how it is this is this it? You know, is my tombstone going to say she worked? I mean, so this I really believe that what happens, especially for women, is there’s been some significant change in the last child leaves for college or the marriage ends or, you know, we lose our jobs. Or it could be that ourselves or significant others help health concerns. Something has happened that’s caused that moment of pause to say, Really, you know, that is it. And I think often, you know, as you and I talked about before, I’ve had many conversations with myself and ladies room mirrors, and I’m brilliant. You know, I’m the best one one person board of advisors I have. But it is those moments that really transform our thinking and it’s really that change. It’s that event that happens. So it’s it’s, you know, and I like to say, is there a certain age? Yeah, probably at 50 plus for women, anyway.


Speaker4: Well, and you had one of those moments yourself. How did it impact impact you?


Autumn Nessler: Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, I’ve had several, but the one that had the most significance was during a blizzard in a major hospital in Delaware. Emergency room, ladies room. We had just come by ambulance. My husband had had another heart event. This was not our first rodeo. I had many of those over the years. And so it was myself in the nurse sitting in this waiting room and the door swings open in the back and out, walks a priest. It sounds like the beginning of a really terrible joke, but it’s not so he makes his way over the nurse’s station. She looks up and points at me. He comes walking over to me. Now you can imagine conversation is going on. That’s it. I’ve lost him. Life is the way I knew it. It’s going to change dramatically. He just come out, obviously, to give me an update. Thank God when my husband and that the doctor would be out shortly. Well, when I felt my legs again, that led me to a ladies room. And it was that conversation where I said, enough, I’m done. How many more times does this have to happen for me to understand? I need to make some dramatic, significant changes. And so bringing them home after he was stable, getting back to our normal, whatever that was, it really led me to go down a path, start my practice, an intentional life. And because it was all based on that conversation that that wake up opportunity that I had, that I listened to this time because I’ve had many of those conversations over the years and those years, but never that had that kind of significant impact. So.


Speaker4: If I maybe haven’t had that stunning moment and we’ve all had those in our lives and I’ve had them too, and I often wonder why life in existence is so clear in those moments, and we can’t make them clear when everything is kind of status quo, but maybe a little topsy turvy ergo pandemic or maybe at work, you’re being shown the door. So what? What can we do to even get us in that place to start like going, wait a minute, I really have to A.. And this is partially my take, so please go in another direction to a I really got to have some perspective and intention as to how I want to live the rest of my healthy life, which could be 30 40 years at least. And. And to quite frankly, think of it in a totally different way than I have in my entire existence or society is ever looked at it, meaning my options are probably more broad than I ever could imagine. It doesn’t just mean, but it could. That I keep doing what I’ve been doing professionally. How do I get to that, that perspective and mindset?


Autumn Nessler: Well, I think it’s first of all, I think it’s taking the opportunity to look at change. Differently. So, you know, we use that. You hear the terms change and transition used interchangeably, right? We’re in fact, they’re very, very different, very different things. Whereas a change is that external event that happens, that graduating from college, the transition is that is that gray zone that happens next. And I use the the visual with the women that I work with of the tightrope walker and that that platform that we’re standing on, that ending is just happened. And across that big abyss of space is that other platform, and we have to figure out how to navigate across that with or without a safety net to get to that other side, to get to that new beginning. So here’s where I think the problem lies. And to answer your question, I think the first thing that we need to do is to look at change differently. And by that, I mean, to look at the change, to pause and look at the change that’s just occurred, the ending that’s just occurred with openness and curiosity to embrace it, to look at it as that opportunity for us to sit back and reflect and to to realize that we need to honor that time to grieve. Maybe what’s what’s happened, the loss that just occurred to just really think through what what it could look like getting to that other side? And then I really work with with individuals to think about those strategies, those transition strategies to help them get across that big business space. Because most of us, especially women, we tend not to ever put ourselves first. So that’s the first thing that we do is we really transform our beliefs about, you know, what this change in transition could offer us as an opportunity. So I don’t know if that that kind of gets you answer to your question, but I think it’s first and foremost embracing the change that’s just occurred. Taking a time to pause, reflect and think about navigating. That’s base to get to that other side.


Speaker4: Yeah, and it’s interesting that you brought up that that analogy because in an interview that I did with Richard Leiter, the author of The Power of Purpose and 10 other books, and he has a new one coming out, which is and I might not get the title exactly right, but who I want to be when I grow old about living a purposeful, intentional life as you get older. And he uses the analogy of the trapeze in which you’re swinging on this one. And then like right now, both with the pandemic, which I was specifically referring to, but also in your context, it’s that moment when you’re letting go and you know, you’re grabbing hold of the other one. And I mean that that’s challenging. And that’s scary because you are requiring an entirely new mindset to in opening up possibilities you maybe haven’t even considered. I mean, in your experience, if you found that to be a challenging and difficult thing to do.


Autumn Nessler: Most of us avoid it at all cost because somehow that that period, that great abyss, somehow that is seen as almost like the way we’re feeling like that transition period. That gray zone Paul is, you know, can last for days, weeks, months, sometimes even years, which is awful. And most of us just want to get to the other side. We don’t want to deal in the muck. We don’t want to deal in the gray zone. We want to move forward and do it now. And when I talk to women about honoring honoring that transition period, they’re not comfortable with that. They just they’re used to taking action. I got I got to get through this. I got to move forward. And, you know, it’s very difficult. So yes, absolutely. Most people, men and women, just like women, but most people don’t want to be in that gray zone, be in that transition period because it just is not comfortable for us. And we’re we’re used to being action oriented individuals, right? You said goals, we move forward. And it’s yeah, so most people won’t avoid it at all cost.


Speaker4: So what are your what’s your methodology? What are your strategies? I mean, kind of take us from ground zero going, OK, now what do I do through that transition and into something successful?


Autumn Nessler: Yeah. Well, as I mentioned, the first things first, of course, is looking at change differently and honoring that pause and taking that opportunity. And then the first thing I always talk about is transforming our beliefs. You know, we realized that what we’re going through and about to go through, we’ve done it so many times before when we think about all the changes and periods of transition that we’ve all been through. And guess what? We’ve done it with one hundred percent success. We’re here talking about it. So the first thing I really encourage people to give themselves the message. One of my favorite things is, you’ve got this, I’ve got this. I can do this, you know, and really to embrace that, you know, and we then talk about reframing our perspective. And by that, I mean, you know, as women, we should ourselves to death. We should be the best employee. We should be the best mother, the best wife, the best grandpa. You know, it is exhausting shooting ourselves to death. And so I get women to think about putting themselves first, especially during this time. Now, for many people, when I say that to them, their initial response is that sounds awfully selfish. And I’m supposed to be caring for everybody. I can’t put myself first. And I always use that airplane analogy. You know, they always say, Pedro oxygen mask on first before you do it. For the kids, it’s actually a selfless. Opportunity for them to pause, to reframe their perspective, because not only are they benefiting themselves, but they’re benefiting all those around them that all them that are part of their their their tribe.


Autumn Nessler: We then also talk about invigorating our thinking. You know, we’re so busy wearing so many different hats, juggling so many different roles that our thinking is very clouded at that point. And so I have found two phrases that I absolutely love, and I use them myself all the time. And the phrases are What if I? What if I looked at this as a whole, different opportunity for myself? Imagine if I imagine if I took the next year of my life and did something totally different. So just those two phrases it I don’t know what it does in the brain. I’m not a nurse. I have no idea. But it just tweak something in our brain to reimagine, recreate, redesign. It just excites us, you know? And the fourth strategy, of course, is most of us. Don’t clarify timing. Am I? My comment is, is always to them, if not now, when? If not now. When? Right? Because, you know, we can find every excuse in the world, every excuse not to take the time to do what I’m talking about. And so I just remind people that you got to do it. You know, we don’t get it. We don’t get do overs right. So it’s not our opportunity. And finally, like any good thing, any any plan requires action. So taking purposeful action and sitting down and really thinking about what it could look like and this is all before we get to that other platform. Right. It’s all that. It’s a transition process that we should embark on each and every time some changes happened in our world, that’s that’s gotten us to start thinking differently.


Speaker4: Now if if you’re in a relationship with the significant other, in whatever context, what do you do about that in terms of getting them aligned and on board? And just a real quick story. When I when I hear about people going through the retirement honeymoon, when one partner, especially one partner who works in the other person, maybe didn’t or didn’t work that much. For a while, it’s really great, but one of the things that they find is is that there’s Discord because the person who, for instance, wasn’t working much has their own life and the other person is like, Hey, here I am, or they want to transition to something and the other person isn’t on board. And I know it’s it’s it can literally lead to divorce. It’s the the big relationships in your life when you’re starting to undertake it, let alone actually doing it.


Autumn Nessler: Yeah, yeah. And I think part of it is that, you know, we’re my husband and I are still trying to figure this all out. So when I was, you know, after that, after that ladies room, you’re in the hospital and and really the conversation between us, my husband and I started when I got him home, when things were stable, when we were getting back to a normal life. And that’s when the conversation really started. And I think part of it is is. You know, so on an annual basis, my husband and I go on an annual retreat. We do a planning retreat. And during that time, we plan individual goals as well as as a couple. And that’s kind of the end result of all the work that kind of led up to where we are today. The initial conversations were all about how do you envision what? What are you thinking about? What would be the ideal situation for you? What would your life look like if in an ideal world? Because a lot of times those visions are so completely different? And you know, I was I was working with with a client who said her husband, she was scared to death. Her husband was an attorney, was retiring within the next 12 months. She herself had a big career, had retired, taking the package and was so bored within a year she was back to work. So now she’s facing she and her husband are facing this 24-7. Together, and she came running screaming to me, saying, I don’t know what to do, I don’t know how to do this. You need to help me.


Autumn Nessler: And so part of it was because when she asked him what life was going to look like for him, his ideal was he would get up. Have coffee, read the paper. Go to the gym and come home and she said, OK, so that takes you to nine 30. So now what? And so his vision of what he saw day to day looking like and her vision were very different. So you’re right, the first thing you need to do with your significant other is to figure out where each of you are, what is each of your visions, and then figuring out what a vision together might look like because there’s still separate but together life. You have to think about. And that’s when an intentional life, you know, includes is that how do I want to be and how do how do we want to be? And it’s those two visions that really need to be mapped out and nailed down. And as I mentioned. We, my husband and I do this kind of planning on an annual basis, so any type of intentional life planning process that I talk about is only for a 12 month period of time. If I started to think about because I intend to live to a hundred, if I thought about planning for the next 40 years or, you know, 30 plus years, it would be impossible. So I do it 12 months at a time. So I think part of the whole thing is having those initial discussions because really, when it comes down to it, it could be very, very different visions that we both have


Speaker4: To find for me. What you mean by an intentional life?


Autumn Nessler: Well, having I guess looking at ideally what and I and I look at it, it was like. I think about a recipe. I remember reading an article, this guy, Andy Cohen out of Canada. He wrote an article called The TRAPPIST Life. Great article. And when he thought about his retirement, he was about a year into retirement and he just he was bored out of his mind. So he started looking at retirement or that post-career life or his intentional life as being little small plates of things that he enjoyed doing the kind of mapped out what an ideal day, when an ideal week, whatever it was. And so an intentional life is something that you do with planning, with thought, with listening to that inside voice, with drawing on the best of our wisdom, our success and our experience to date. You don’t have to start from scratch when you think about living an intentional life. You just have to take the best of what was what has been what is now. And that’s what you need to kind of craft. I talk about my life, my intentional life as being a recipe, and the recipe that I do all the time is taking the best of the ingredients because I listen to what I knew my life needed to include those ingredients. I knew I wanted to utilize my time and talents. I knew that I wanted to learn. I know that I wanted to create and connect, and I had all these different ingredients. And so I was crafting the perfect dish for myself. It is I said everything is up for discussion, everything up is up for change, and so having an intentional life is knowing what your recipe needs to include and and pulling from the best of all those ingredients from what your life has been about.


Speaker4: I think that’s really strong, and I couldn’t agree with you more. It takes some self-examination and some self-awareness and and I know that a real epiphany in this general topic that we’re talking about came when I was talking to a friend colleague who a woman who’s in her 30s, two young children, and she was like, Yeah, you know, I’m kind of wondering, what am I going to do with that phase of life myself because she was following what I was doing with my endeavor? And it really did hit me. And that is this that OK, if you look at somebody in college and receiving as a very popular graduation gift, Dr. Seuss, oh, the places you will go. And it struck me that like, OK, when you’re graduating high school or college, it’s like you’ve got the road ahead and all the possibilities and the challenges and the successes and the people that you will meet and the differences that you can make in the decades ahead. And it’s like, OK, you’re 50 or 60 years old, you got that road ahead and you’ve got all the people you’ll meet in the challenges and the opportunities and the successes in the decades ahead. And I thought, Wow, what a great gift for somebody turning fifty five or whatever. But the point of it being is that however, for those of us in our stage of life to come up with that recipe that you mentioned, now I’ve got a better idea of what I like and what I don’t like and what’s important to me and what I’m good at, but I might not fully realize it without that self-reflection, that self-awareness kind of taking stock of myself. Correct? Is that what you have? People do, basically.


Autumn Nessler: Oh, absolutely. And you know, I always talk about that. We do a lot of journaling, and I do a lot of journaling just on an ongoing basis, and it’s it’s that either a cup of coffee or a glass of wine in my hand and I kind of sit down and take that moment each day for reflection. And, you know, I tell people all the time that I set a daily intention, you know, and it’s something that that that kind of guides me throughout my day that it keeps me kind of centered. And you’re right, it’s it’s it’s an opportunity. It’s that. And it can be such an exciting time I mentioned to you before about imagine if I what would it look like if I mean like, it’s exciting, it’s and taking that time to really draw from. Because day to day life clouds are thinking. And so to take that time to really pause and reflect and honor that voice screaming inside of us. Yeah. And it takes a very I practice mindfulness. And so part of it is is getting getting people to think about taking a moment and being very mindful about that moment in time. And, you know, moving forward in their day, in their week, in their month, in that way being very mindful and thoughtful about it.


Speaker4: Yeah, that’s a good point. And you know, what worked for me and I do believe in, you know, the power of intention is that and what’s even got me to the point where I am right now and what I’m doing was that I got really fundamental. And I literally thought, OK, first of all, how do I want to feel when I wake up in the morning? How do I want to feel? Ok, we’ll start. Well, I feel healthy and I feel good and I feel excited. But then I started taking it from there and I started realizing, Well, what would it take for feeling well, you know, interacting with wonderful blah blah blah blah, but also taking my skills and experience and not doing what I had been doing, but doing something, taking those same skills and wrapping them and applying them in a different way. And that kind of leads to my next question, which is I know for even myself and for a lot of people, it’s a challenge to look at what you can do as well as what you want to do or looking at your skills and experience in an entirely different context in the way that you’ve been applying them in the past. Correct. And if so, how do you how do you change that perspective?


Autumn Nessler: Yeah, it takes time, obviously. And and for most of us, it’s first looking at, you know, I have taken out of the word career work out of my vocabulary, just like I try to take out retirement. But I always tell people, instead of saying career work, let’s use utilizing my time and talents and I get them to to reflect on how is it right now, you know, whether it’s if they’re really stuck. I ask them to tell me about their day. What is their day look like today or the last couple of days? What what do they do? And what I do is I. Then I give them feedback. So what you’re saying is that meeting that you led, that you were talking about facilitating and do you enjoy that? Is that something that you really enjoy doing and something you’d like to continue doing? And so we start to pull from what they say as, yeah, what’s what’s a big deal about that? And then I then we get them to kind of look at how do those how to use using that skill or that talent? Is that something that empowers them to let you know? Like if somebody said to me being in front of a group of people speaking to groups of people, you know, they would see me light up because I love that right? I know that I draw energy from it. Well, I pick up the same kind of nuances when I’m when I’m working with someone and I’ll say, God, you really lit up like that. It must be. You must love doing that. So let’s make a note of that because that’s something moving forward. You want to use that skill that time, that talent, whatever it is. And so it’s really getting them to look at their day to day and they’ll tell me what they do want to do and what they don’t want to do anymore. And that’s where we start pulling those things. But it’s me being that objective person that gets, you know, starts labeling the talents that they just outlined for me that they don’t see as talents. But I do.


Speaker4: Yeah. That’s really great advice, and that’s a great process for anyone to do to find their way forward because it’s a very situation is is hitting people of all ages and of all situations. Given the pandemic and the way that it is changing the world in terms of economics and profession and life and and further back up and circle back to something else, you said. And that’s journaling, which is, you know, for me, what I found is is that in the first place, coming to the conclusion that you’re talking about the self-awareness conclusions, it’s like peeling an onion. You go, Oh, yeah, what’s this? And then a couple of weeks later, oh, wait a minute, it’s even deeper than that, or it’s more significant and you’re peeling the onion. And the other thing I’ll say that I’ve heard from so many thought leaders and I, for instance, as Tim Ferriss has said, you know, the person who wrote the four hour work week and tools of. Titans, which over here, which is just this great advice from hundreds of people who are successful in a myriad of life, is that the one common trait he found amongst successful people successful in life? Whatever endeavor was that they journal? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The thing is that the journal and by the way, I would add journaling first thing in the morning before any electronics. As he calls, I tap my monkey brain, meaning you don’t have these external concerns and other people’s agendas interfering with your brain to absolutely journal every day.


Autumn Nessler: Yeah, yeah. And my journals, you know, it’s funny because I love looking back over time. You know, I probably have been journaling. I’m going to say since maybe the last ten years, I didn’t really take the time before to do that, and my journaling has taken on different looks. You know, each. In fact, I just redid how I want a journal. Moving forward, right? At least right now. And but when I look back, the lessons that I glean from that or the consistencies that I see of who I am and who I was and what was important to me. It’s it’s amazing to me. You know, you just write some things down. It doesn’t have to be a lot. I’m not I don’t not have so many pages. I’m I do have a page or a page or whatever. But the things that I glean from that is just amazing to me. And that’s why it’s so important when I work with someone that we focus a lot on journaling and as a tool to again, like we spoke about a moment ago, you know, utilizing time and talents, what does that look like, you know, and listening is the only time we can actually listen is by writing it down.


Speaker4: Yeah. Well, what I love about it, so many things that no one, it’s it’s that private conversation with yourself. No one ever has to see what your journaling. Number two, there is the reticular activation system, which literally because you’re writing it down your brain, absorbs it and does more with it than if it’s spoken. Or certainly just thought in your head and you’re right going back and look at it, I get to very among many emotions. Of course I get to one is cringe worthy. Oh my gosh, I said that or I felt that, Oh man, I am. So yeah, we all have those. And but then the second one is seeing progress. Yeah, it’s like, Oh my gosh, I was so wrapped up in that and I have like discarded it or I have embraced it or something like that. But even if I don’t look back at it every time I journal, I feel great, by the way. Here’s here’s a little unpaid product in you. Yeah. Are you familiar with this?


Autumn Nessler: I am not.


Speaker4: Oh, this is called the five minute journal. Ok. And again, it was a Tim Ferriss recommendation. Let me open it up where you can’t read anything, and what I love about it takes five minutes. And what I love about it is that every day, every morning, three things you’re grateful for three things that would make today great and an affirmation. And then before you go to bed, three amazing things that happened today and what would it make today better? That’s fabulous. And it’s got a little quote on top of it, and it takes five minutes. I love it. I tell you everybody. Everyone I’ve turned on to that book keeps thanking me for it. Yeah, yeah, amazing. But but but also the more extensive journaling can be helpful too. Yes. Yeah. So. Before I ask my last question, OK, what is the best way for people to get in touch with you?


Autumn Nessler: A couple of different ways. First of all, they can always email me and that is awesome at design retirement talk. That’s one way. Again, it’s automated design, retirement talk. They can always call two one five eight seven zero two nine six zero. Certainly my website at W-w-what Design Retirement Talk and to get a sense of what is what I look at as being part of an intentional life, they can always follow my Facebook or LinkedIn because I always am posting things there that are relevant. To what this intentional life planning looks like, I’m pulling articles from from Andy Cohen with the campus life to Next Avenue, which is one of my favorite go to Richard Eisenberg, who you have talked to. He is amazing. I love that publication. You know, so I’m always pulling what I think is the best of the best. And I’m a curators. I tell people of content. And so I’m always pulling things. And so a great way to get a sense of what intentional life planning looks like is to follow me on Facebook or LinkedIn. I have a company page, I have a personal page, and they follow me either way.


Speaker4: So one last question. What is your intention in terms of the impact that you’re hoping to have on? The World Society, but certainly the women’s lives who you engage with. What what is your intention? Yeah.

Autumn Nessler: Well, my my intention is always, you know, if I take it from a really high level to leave each person I meet with or talk with a little better off right after after working with me, that’s kind of the big, you know, in the sky. But but it’s about. I went through, you know, it sounds sounds great when I talk about that mirror conversation that I had, but I got to tell you what I didn’t share with you is what happened after I left that hospital, after I bought him home. And the agony and the hours and all the things that I did to get to where I am today, which led me to wanting to save other women from that same experience and from feeling. And so that’s my largest mission is to save other women from having to go through the months of what I went through to get where I am today. And it could be women that are facing post-career life, but it could also be women who want work to play a much smaller role in their life and and have look at all the roles. So it’s really about, again, preventing others from from, you know, going through that same agonizing process and teaching them also a procedure and not procedure, a process that they can then use on their own on an annual basis to create a new intentional life plan for the next 12 month period. So it’s about teaching. It’s about, you know, helping them. It’s about educating, but it’s again about helping them get on the, you know, the path to their own intentional life.


Speaker4: That’s great. And I might add that when you thrive, others thrive as a result of you thriving. Whether it’s, you know, I’ve talked to people who have started entrepreneurial endeavors later in life. Paul Tanner, who started business at age sixty six and he’s like, My granddaughter, thinks I’m really cool. Yeah, well, you know what? He’s living. He’s leaving a legacy with her. He’s showing her what? What life can be like, period, let alone in this life. When you’re healthy, when you’re happy, when you’re engaged, you make everybody healthy and happy as a result of it. So wonderful insight. Wonderful advice on them. Thank you so much.


Speaker2: You’ve been listening to a new Way Forward podcast with your host, Paul Long.